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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: dumbassnoob on December 07, 2012, 05:20 am
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Not sure yet I'll need to do this, but I may have been scammed for a Moneypak to BTC transaction, and was looking at the moneypak.com site, where you can fill out a "fraud" report. Has anyone ever done one of these, and if so, what did you put where it says "website (or url)" and "user"? Something tells me it wouldn't help your case to put "Silk Road" as the site where you got relieved of your MP.
Any suggestions, or knowledge/experience with the process?
Thanks,
DAN
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Thanks, but just looking for an answer to the original question, which was "how to file a MoneyPak fraud complaint". I've seen others on here claim to have done it, but can't seem to find posts that detail exactly what was done.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can lend advice, cheers!
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I'm going to have to agree with CaptainMal. It CAN be done and I've actually done it before when I was scammed as well as a couple of others. You have to give details though or no ones really going to give you the step by step because you in all actuality could be the one trying to get coins and money back. Just how the community goes( or is SUPPOSED to go)
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I'm going to have to agree with CaptainMal. It CAN be done and I've actually done it before when I was scammed as well as a couple of others. You have to give details though or no ones really going to give you the step by step because you in all actuality could be the one trying to get coins and money back. Just how the community goes( or is SUPPOSED to go)
"Get coins back." I like that, that's cute. Please do let us know how reversing a bitcoin transaction works out... :)
(apologies for being a smart-ass, I just couldn't help it -- there is no "get coins back," that's part of the point of them)
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I'm going to have to agree with CaptainMal. It CAN be done and I've actually done it before when I was scammed as well as a couple of others. You have to give details though or no ones really going to give you the step by step because you in all actuality could be the one trying to get coins and money back. Just how the community goes( or is SUPPOSED to go)
Yeah, good point, didn't think of that. So here are details: messaged back and forth with someone who was offering a good rate on the exchange, and was even going to get some of his product. When I felt comfortable (obviously I'm not good at getting a gut feel for someone), gave him the MP#, which he promptly cashed, and haven't heard from him in 18 hours. Prior to taking the MP#, he said he had coins on hand and could do it pronto (of course).
Is that sufficient to extract some knowledge? Thanks in advance for any help, if I don't get any soon just gonna call Moneypak and wing it.
DAN
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By all means, call and try, but a large organization like that is going to say "sorry, read our policies, goodbye." Basically, they're not responsible if you give someone something -- they really can't be, if you think about it. It would put them out of business if they guaranteed anything you did with their service, ever, for any reason, wise or not.
If it was stolen, that's different. It wasn't though. And it would be hard to twist that into "but it was."
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This is like calling the police because your neighbor stole 1 kg of cocaine from you.
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By all means, call and try, but a large organization like that is going to say "sorry, read our policies, goodbye." Basically, they're not responsible if you give someone something -- they really can't be, if you think about it. It would put them out of business if they guaranteed anything you did with their service, ever, for any reason, wise or not.
If it was stolen, that's different. It wasn't though. And it would be hard to twist that into "but it was."
True, but even if the OP doesn't get their money back from GreenDot, they can still make it a problem for the person who cashed it. It has happened before as a method people were using to scam bitcoin vendors. If the vendor is using paypal to load the MP funds, their account will be flagged for review if the MP is reported stolen. OP, you can read about it over at http://bitcointalk.org in several threads.
Thanks CaptainMal, realize I'm likely not going to get anything back, but read via searches about what you say, that at least we can make it difficult for the scammer, if indeed that's what this vendor turns out to be. I'll head over to bitcointalk and see what they have to say.
If amymolly or anyone else has steps to take or any more info that'd be great. I'm pretty sure I don't want to fill out the online fraud form on moneypak.com by putting "Silk Road" where it ask for the site you were scammed on :)
dumbassnoob ($200 poorer, but thankful for friends, both on and off the road)
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By all means, call and try, but a large organization like that is going to say "sorry, read our policies, goodbye." Basically, they're not responsible if you give someone something -- they really can't be, if you think about it. It would put them out of business if they guaranteed anything you did with their service, ever, for any reason, wise or not.
If it was stolen, that's different. It wasn't though. And it would be hard to twist that into "but it was."
True, but even if the OP doesn't get their money back from GreenDot, they can still make it a problem for the person who cashed it. It has happened before as a method people were using to scam bitcoin vendors. If the vendor is using paypal to load the MP funds, their account will be flagged for review if the MP is reported stolen. OP, you can read about it over at http://bitcointalk.org in several threads.
I remember you making me aware of this and I thank you for it a second time now :) I was actually interested because I was trying to figure out what it would take to make this entire moneypak-for-bitcoins thing automated, like BitInstant or something. Now I know why they don't do it, either. Hmph.
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Thanks, but just looking for an answer to the original question, which was "how to file a MoneyPak fraud complaint". I've seen others on here claim to have done it, but can't seem to find posts that detail exactly what was done.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can lend advice, cheers!
CaptainMal is trying to help you. Don't be ungrateful, you will need to give some details if you want a good answer.
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ok kk, thanks for that pearl of wisdom, hope you're enjoying your day...maybe next time read the whole thread before giving input ;)
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ok kk, thanks for that pearl of wisdom, hope you're enjoying your day...maybe next time read the whole thread before giving input ;)
Nice username... ::)
Yeah, you shouldn't make a post asking for help and then only supplying the details when someone pretty much spells out the reasoning as to why. So yeah, don't be ungrateful and ask for help and then look a gift horse in the mouth.
Maybe you should consider being nicer to people who are trying to help you, and not just blow them off and then change your mind halfway through the thread. Or, whatever, you could just continue on in the same manner. I am sure you will get lots of great advice on a wide variety of topics in the future if you do that. ;D
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By all means, call and try, but a large organization like that is going to say "sorry, read our policies, goodbye." Basically, they're not responsible if you give someone something -- they really can't be, if you think about it. It would put them out of business if they guaranteed anything you did with their service, ever, for any reason, wise or not.
If it was stolen, that's different. It wasn't though. And it would be hard to twist that into "but it was."
True, but even if the OP doesn't get their money back from GreenDot, they can still make it a problem for the person who cashed it. It has happened before as a method people were using to scam bitcoin vendors. If the vendor is using paypal to load the MP funds, their account will be flagged for review if the MP is reported stolen. OP, you can read about it over at http://bitcointalk.org in several threads.
I remember you making me aware of this and I thank you for it a second time now :) I was actually interested because I was trying to figure out what it would take to make this entire moneypak-for-bitcoins thing automated, like BitInstant or something. Now I know why they don't do it, either. Hmph.
Yep, I read where someone who _purchased_ a mp from sugarmama got scammed out of it when the original purchaser, who I guess traded it to SM for BTC's, reported it stolen, and IIRC, it was for a considerable amt, maybe a couple grand?
The automated mp-for-bitcoins would be great, but there are probably more with bad intents trying to figure it out than with good...and even the good can be bought, lol!
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ok kk, thanks for that pearl of wisdom, hope you're enjoying your day...maybe next time read the whole thread before giving input ;)
Nice username... ::)
lemme guess, you turned 30 this year...
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I'm going to have to agree with CaptainMal. It CAN be done and I've actually done it before when I was scammed as well as a couple of others. You have to give details though or no ones really going to give you the step by step because you in all actuality could be the one trying to get coins and money back. Just how the community goes( or is SUPPOSED to go)
"Get coins back." I like that, that's cute. Please do let us know how reversing a bitcoin transaction works out... :)
(apologies for being a smart-ass, I just couldn't help it -- there is no "get coins back," that's part of the point of them)
Technically you have to be smart to be a "smart ass", which obviously you arent. Maybe you should take a second, open that mighty fine Rhode scholar mind of yours and try comprehending the post the way it was intended to be comprehended, eh? ;) The statement says, "trying to get coins" (obviously from the BTC vendor) AND "money back" (obviously from Greendot genius). People will never know how unintelligent you are if you dont do/ say unintelligent things, meaning, if this is any indication of you intelligence you should probably cut your forum posting career short.
(apologies for being smart, I just couldn't help it) :-X :-[
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It's pointless to do a fraud claim because moneypak wont give you any money, says that right on the home page.
X)
nomad
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ok kk, thanks for that pearl of wisdom, hope you're enjoying your day...maybe next time read the whole thread before giving input ;)
Nice username... ::)
lemme guess, you turned 30 this year...
No, that would be a pretty stupid clue to put in a username. Good to know you can do math though. I was born in the 80's, not in 82 though...
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It's pointless to do a fraud claim because moneypak wont give you any money, says that right on the home page.
X)
nomad
They will. They freeze the fraud account and return the money via check or they'll tell you to get a Greendot visa and they'll put it on the card. The fraud account has to have funds still in it though.
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Ok i was just posting what i read yesterday on the site.
In the scam section, guess scam and fraud are different? >.>
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It does suck to get scammed and hopefully it won't happen again. FYI- you should let us know who this person/vendor is so someone else doesn't end up in the same position as you. I mean, why protect the person so they can do it again?
Let us know what MP says if you talk with them and if you got your $ back.
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It does suck to get scammed and hopefully it won't happen again. FYI- you should let us know who this person/vendor is so someone else doesn't end up in the same position as you. I mean, why protect the person so they can do it again?
Let us know what MP says if you talk with them and if you got your $ back.
Vendor was drugden, I started a thread in an attempt to warn others -- their page suddenly showed 37 transactions yesterday all at once, and 15 or so feedbacks all within 24 hours, not sure how they do that, but pretty obviously a scam -- well, to everyone but me, lol...
Spoke w/MoneyPak by phone, sent to a manager when I claimed fraud, told him I was trying purchase an investment, he asked me the site I said bitcointalk.org. He checked and said apparently account where the pak was cashed to is already empty, so no refund, then suggested I contact the police about the theft.
I said, "ok, I'll get right on that..." Lesson learned, hard way of course, and thankfully only a couple hundred.
Thanks for all the helpful responses and info, whatshername notwithstanding ;)
DAN
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FYI - It appears that DrugDen also scammed me out of a $150 MP.
He has been sending me messages saying that "his accounts are locked up because someone claimed fraud" but I know that this is just a pathetic excuse. I should have checked the forums before I made the transaction, so it's my mistake.
I really hope the guy makes good and transfers the coins but I am not hopeful at this point.
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It does suck to get scammed and hopefully it won't happen again. FYI- you should let us know who this person/vendor is so someone else doesn't end up in the same position as you. I mean, why protect the person so they can do it again?
Let us know what MP says if you talk with them and if you got your $ back.
Vendor was drugden, I started a thread in an attempt to warn others -- their page suddenly showed 37 transactions yesterday all at once, and 15 or so feedbacks all within 24 hours, not sure how they do that, but pretty obviously a scam -- well, to everyone but me, lol...
Spoke w/MoneyPak by phone, sent to a manager when I claimed fraud, told him I was trying purchase an investment, he asked me the site I said bitcointalk.org. He checked and said apparently account where the pak was cashed to is already empty, so no refund, then suggested I contact the police about the theft.
I said, "ok, I'll get right on that..." Lesson learned, hard way of course, and thankfully only a couple hundred.
Thanks for all the helpful responses and info, whatshername notwithstanding ;)
DAN
You can still contact LEA in my Case the moneypaks were withdrawn to cards that were not mine. The money is still considered stolen regardless. You Paid for a service that you didnt recieve. BTW bitcoin trading is not a illegal service. I was Scammed out of 3200 dollars in moneypak by sugarmama
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You can still contact LEA in my Case the moneypaks were withdrawn to cards that were not mine. The money is still considered stolen regardless. You Paid for a service that you didnt recieve. BTW bitcoin trading is not a illegal service. I was Scammed out of 3200 dollars in moneypak by sugarmama
By SugarMama?! That really really doesn't sound like something she would do ... I don't think I've seen anyone claim that they had been scammed by her ... was it THE SugarMama, or was it an imposter?
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I have heard nothing but good things about Sugar Mama. I would too like to know if it was the big BTC vendor on SR?
That sucks that drugden took that $. I know SR wants to hear about anyone scamming BTC/Money/MP, so send a message to SR if you haven't already done so.
FYI- Good MP-BTC peeps I know of (with REAL feedback): Capt Mal, Blue Sky Traders, ChronicCrew and Sugar Mama. Not sure if the above poster was talking about her, but she is one of the most popular, so it would be a surpise.
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You can still contact LEA in my Case the moneypaks were withdrawn to cards that were not mine. The money is still considered stolen regardless. You Paid for a service that you didnt recieve. BTW bitcoin trading is not a illegal service. I was Scammed out of 3200 dollars in moneypak by sugarmama
By SugarMama?! That really really doesn't sound like something she would do ... I don't think I've seen anyone claim that they had been scammed by her ... was it THE SugarMama, or was it an imposter?
I have heard nothing but good things about Sugar Mama. I would too like to know if it was the big BTC vendor on SR?
That sucks that drugden took that $. I know SR wants to hear about anyone scamming BTC/Money/MP, so send a message to SR if you haven't already done so.
FYI- Good MP-BTC peeps I know of (with REAL feedback): Capt Mal, Blue Sky Traders, ChronicCrew and Sugar Mama. Not sure if the above poster was talking about her, but she is one of the most popular, so it would be a surpise.
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A belated thanks to technopium for that list and the advice - the admins took care of the vendor pretty soon after I sent them a message, so hopefully they didn't get too many others...
ChronicCrew and MrMcFeelyMD have been very quick and very inexpensive for bitcoins from Moneypaks - when MrMcFeelyMD has available btc's he does the exchange immediately, literally in seconds, so I always check with him first now..